Anonymous said: Yeah but GRRM always tries to get a copout and describes peoples and characters as olive. The Dothraki are badly modeled after the Mongols, the Dornishmen are like Spaniards, barely anyone is darker than someone from the Levant. He's like, afraid of dark skinned people existing in his European fantasy utopia. Notice how he has a super inflated Europe next to a West Asia in his world. No African expy, no Indian expy. Just White people and light skinned PoC at best.
grrm’s idea of good representation is a summer islander who might pop up every now and then to say one line and never be mentioned again.
Anonymous said: The Dornishmen are supposed to be dark. Supposed being the key word. But Elia Martell is described as pale, with olive skin. You'd think on such a large continent, that people would be darker as soon as you hit the Reach. And Melisandre is somehow pale. Everyone is pale. There are barely any cultures described as non-white, and essentially no PoV characters that aren't pale, or at most olive skinned. GRRM literally refuses to envision a world with less than 90% white people.
There are more in Essos, like the Ghiscari, the Summer Islanders (idk if they class as being from Westeros or Essos or Sothoryos or just on its own), the Dothraki etc but they get hardly any character development and fall upon racist tropes. Like for example pretty much all the Dothraki khals are the same and interchangeable with each other, nothing separating them out from each other
but yes, you’re completely right. Westeros is absolutely huge. I have a map on it on my wall and you’d think a continent that size would have more diversity, but no just a bunch of pale, white people. And while Westeros may be based off Europe, it’s still a made-up fantasy land, so no excuses (not that Europe is 100% white anyway)
The only time we get non-white narrators is in the later books with the Dornish but they don’t get half as much screen time as everyone else (when they should- Arianne and Quentyn are two of my favourite characters, I love them to bits)
Anonymous said: hey what do you think about show!Oberyn? (if you've watched Game Of Thrones season 4 that is)
ughhh there was so much wrong with his portrayal like oberyn was one of my favourite characters in the series despite being in it for such a short amount of time
- ridiculously hypersexualised. the majority of his scenes took place in a brothel and in the scenes where he wasn’t, most of them involved him talking about sex and brothels. this is really racist and biphobic. just because he’s bisexual doesnt mean he’s obsessed with sex. yes book oberyn was very sexual, but that wasn’t the only thing about him
- downplayed most of oberyn’s intelligence. like oberyn is really smart and has an immense knowledge of poisons, like it’s even implied he poisoned tywin. he studied at the citadel for a whole and got six maesters chains fgs. he’s traveled the free citiesand fought wih free copanies.
- he is a great dad. he has 8 bastard daughters, but loves all of them and teaches them and takes responsibility for them. i think they were only mentioned once in season 4.
- as much as i love pedro pascal, he played him really well, oberyn is a ‘salty dornishman’, who are quite dark-skinned
- although there were things they did get right like his thirst for vengeance, how close he was to his sister and his incredible fighting skills
there’s a really good post called ‘not your exotic, not your erotic’ about the martells but i cant find it
(title taken from the poem of the same name by Suheir Hammad)
I’m crawling out of my little fandom hole because three episodes in, I’m becoming increasingly irritated at how Oberyn Martell and the Dornish on a whole are being portrayed in Game of Thrones.
Apparently, when not attending weddings, Oberyn and Ellaria can be found exclusively in a brothel inciting an orgy of some sort. Even when they do attend outside events, they are drawn to the scantily clad contortionist or to propositioning fellow guests by suggestively eating food. Yes, Dorne is more sexually permissive than other areas of Westeros. Paramours are common, noble-born women have sex before and outside of marriage, and bastards are not scorned and hidden away. For the writers of Game of Thrones, this means one thing: more sex scenes.
Instead of highlighting how racist the Westerosi attitudes towards Dorne are, the show buys into them, reducing the Dornish so far to a few men in turbans and over sexed characters with quick tempers. So far, Oberyn Martell has spent his time having sex, issuing threats and hotheadedly killing stray Lannister soldiers. Gone is any subtlety he had in the book, where he patiently bided his time with his brother to seek justice for his sister, Elia. Instead show!Oberyn is the orientalist archetype of a highly sexed, overly passionate non-white male, unable to keep either his libido or temper in check.
Coming on top of Essos and how the characters there are PoC who are either cruel, barbaric, avaricious slave owners or slaves who need to be saved by the white saviour character (and this is without mentioning the cringe worthy end of season 3 where Daenerys crowd surfs a purely brown crowd), this portrayal of Oberyn Martell and Dorne is particularly galling.
For David Benioff and Dan Weiss it seems Oberyn Martell and Dorne is very much their erotic and their exotic.